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, keeping tniernational focus on the working condition of those who produce our consumer products is a good thing. However, from reports elsewhere I get the impression that Foxconn is more concerned about their workers welfare than what is common in much of China.Einar[]JonT Reply:August 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 pmDear Einar,Thank you for your comments it does help in giving tniernational awareness on this tragic situation. Now, by your calculations of 7.2 per 100,000 per year means 21.6 per year since there are over 300,000 conservatively and further calculate 22 years of manufacturing, not that the rate is the same every year but you get idea. So, how many human lives is that? Yes, unfortunately there are suicides in the military it is a very high stressed environment job. However, I personally have never heard off or witnessed a suicide in modern day combat. Mind you I could be wrong, but from experience when your on the font-lines all you care about is the buddy next to you and your fellow Marines or servicemen. The comradery gets you through tough times and the military is getting better on recognizing symptoms and getting help to those who needs it. If all else fails then there is a way out, you can quite with a dishonorable discharge.Uncommon to popular belief, suicides rarely occur in factories or place of employment people just leave they don't off themselves, yes in China. I live here and have to deal with factories and the legal system all day every day. That being said, what would happen if you couldn't leave said too much already.By the way you don't work for them do you?[]Einar Reply:August 3rd, 2010 at 12:45 amDear Jon,Your insinuation that I must  work for them  leads me suspect arguments may be waisted, but let me explain once more to see if I can make it clearer.With as many as 300,000 employees, if these are fairly representative of the Chinese, one would expect suicide rates similar to the rest of China, which would be on average 41.7 suicides per year at Foxconn, Shenzhen. Of course, this is a very rough estimate: the exact number would depend on age and sex composition and social background (rural vs. urban).At Foxconn, Shenzhen, however, the suicide rate is half of what you find in China in general. The reason it is still a considerable number is because there are so many employees there: 300,000. Of course, if the work at Foxconn itself was a leading contributor, one would have expected suicide rates above the average for a comparable population, not below as is the case here.When you argue that you never heard of suicides in the US military, you are clearly missing the fact that the suicide rate in the US Army (don't know for the other branches) is three times higher than at Foxconn, Shenzhen. However, you'd have to know a few thousand soldiers to have a substantial risk of personally coming across a single case. Yet, instead of criticising the US Army for having an above average suicide rate, you criticise Foxconn for having a below average suicide rate, which simply doesn't add up.Your also seem to assume that the suicides are related to the work: both at Foxconn and in the military (during service). Amongst the suicides in the US Army, the most common cause given was relationship problems which accounted for a fair portion of the cases. Service related suicides generally come after finishing service and returning to civilian society sometimes years later.I also find your claim that Foxconn employees are unable to leave somewhat odd. As I understand from other reports, Foxconn, as well as other factories in South China, have a high turn-over of employees, i.e. who actually do choose to leave.All in all, I cannot help but think that you (and others) are trying to pick a culprit to stick the blame to for something you don't understand: why they killed themselves. That's a very common and human reaction, but not very useful.In particular, it is a common fallacy to assume that events that coincide must have a common cause: i.e. that these 9 suicides and 2 attempts must have something particular in common that distinguishes them from other suicides in China. However, chances are that if the same 300,000 had found work elsewhere, judging by the general suicide rate in China, the number of suicides amongst them would have been similar or higher: it might not have been exactly the same persons, and they might well have chosen different means, and it most likely would not have been reported in the media, but apart from that there would have been no difference.So, the short summary is: The suicide rate at Foxconn is not particularly high, and although you may disapprove of the working conditions there, blaming those suicides on the company remains baseless.Einar[]Alhaji Reply:October 30th, 2010 at 7:17 pmElinar ! you dont have take this issue personal okie. Base your critque on your opinion and not with the US Army.Grow up and stop thinking like a   .

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Thanks so much for raising this important issue and sharing this information.  This is the dark side of the progress and promise of technology and I’m sure not a topic too many people want to address, especially at Apple.I believe that reducing this to a Chinese cultural issue will not deal with the complete picture.  The reality is that Apple contracts with this company to produce a product that is one of the most popular in the US. So what responsibility – moral, ethical and legal does Apple have to these workers?  And what responsibility do Apple users in this country have as well?This tragic situation causes for deeper questions and solutions. It is absurd and disrespectful to even entertain the question of whether human beings receiving a 20% raise will stop killing themselves!Although many HR professionals in Western cultures may not feel compelled or have any need to deal with such profound questions, the reality is that a growing global workforce combined with expanding consumer consciousness will only produce greater demand for answers and solutions.HR everywhere will have to dig much deeper into the human psyche and social and political conditions to deal with these problems in the future. I wonder how long understanding and working with the human psyche will still be labeled a “soft skill” in the future?
 
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